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If the Long Path is to be utterly avoided and no self-restraints or trainings practised, in what way is this different from being an ordinary person who behaves as he pleases? Indeed, even the Zen master Ma-tsu admitted as much when he said, "If there is no discipline, this is to be the same as ordinary people."

-- Notebooks Category 23: Advanced Contemplation > Chapter 2 : Pitfalls and Limitations > # 5